Marriage

The problem with MRAs (as said here before) is that they want to be male feminists. This means they want to glorify being victims.

That is a popular stance with those who are confused, but it’s not policy. Policy is how you make society function by setting up values, rules and procedures.

No area is this more clearly seen than the topic of marriage. MRAs want you to think all marriage is bad; as I’ll demonstrate, they are actually working against their own best interests.

Society automatically paints a stereotype on men who hesitate, delay, or elect not to marry. They are labeled as:
A) Womanizers who are unable to participate in a long term relationship, or
B) Selfish, childish or irresponsible men who can not take care of themselves or another person.
No other explanation is ever explored.
all quotations from Do-Not-Marry.com

Let’s reverse this. Reasons a man would not marry:

  • Self-satisfied. This includes both selfish (including solipsists, narcissists and megalomaniacs) and literally self-satisfied. If you are a genius painter, you have no use for marriage or sex.
  • Incompatibility. You have not encountered a compatible partner. The more personality you have, the harder this issue is.
  • Failure. You would otherwise marry, but have been unable to get your act together.

You either cannot marry, want to marry but cannot, marry or fail to marry. That’s it.

The first question is: are you someone who wants to marry?

People can do this for the wrong reasons, such as fear of aging and death. Nothing can stop that. Or social fear. Nothing can stop that, either.

Most people marry for a simple reason: it makes life better.

Any repeated process, task or technique gets boring. You are not learning anything new. It’s a dead-end rote route. No matter what your age, unless you’re pathological, after about a dozen first dates you get it. What next?

A significant number of 20 and 30-something women spend most of their disposable income on luxury rental apartments, upscale restaurants, frequent exotic vacations, leased cars, spa treatments, and excessive amounts of designer label clothing, purses, shoes, etc. Are all women like this? No. Could this be your future wife? Possibly.

Why would any MRA even consider such a woman? She advertises that she has no control over herself.

The only reason you would attempt to marry one of these: she has entrapped you sexually. You are excited by her drama, her sensuality, and most of all, her competitive effort to be sexually appealing and thus, when she has you, you feel like the focus of all of this intense sex energy.

This puts you in the position of beggar and receptor, not creator and initiator. You might as well sell yourself for passive intercourse by baboons.

Like anyone else in life, women mark themselves by their behavior. You are what you do, and that doesn’t mean career. It means how you spend your time. If you spend it on surface activities, whether mainstream (consumerism) or underground (hipsterism), you are a directionless person. E.g. you have no direction but you.

The people in this life that you want to know have started the process of self-actualization. They are comfortable in their own skins, and recognize their limitations and the limitations of being human. As a result, they are not interested in egomania, narcissism, megalomania and solipsism.

Instead, they direct their energy toward productive things. They will have a job, and a home of some kind, like everyone else. But instead of ineffectual “hobbies” — tv, sex, drugs, drink, vids, etc — they are directing that energy toward some constructive end.

One person commented to me once that there are three places to hunt modern woman: in education, in volunteer groups, and overachievers in the workplace.

You want to find one of those, not the modern female narcissist (MFN) as discussed above.

Immediately after buying a ring, the man may be rewarded with demands of financing all or part of a lavish wedding… (Depending on the size of his bank account.) The costs of today’s weddings exceed that of a house down payment. (Or in certain parts of the country, the house itself.) If a man enters a marriage having saved up a down payment for his dream home, it can suddenly be snatched from right from under him. Many men may object to spending this sum of money on a one-day party.

Here is the logical fallacy: the trend is x, therefore you must do x.

Don’t do x. Independent of trends, people have been getting married in small local ceremonies and asking their parents to pay half or more — for centuries.

If she insists on x, you are marrying an idiot. Don’t do it.

The injustices can go from bad to worse when children enter the picture. If the man can afford to carry the entire financial burden, the woman can elect to stop working. (Regardless of how the man may feel about the decision.) The day the woman stops working is the day all of her past financial baggage unequivocally gets thrown onto the man’s head. If the woman has racked up credit card debts, these are now his payments. If the woman has not bothered to pay off her student loans, these also become the man’s responsibility. (Stomach-churning irony = the man is stuck paying for her degree, and she’s not even working anymore!!) And can the man object? Can he say, “No, you made your mess, and it should not be my job to clean it up. You knew you wanted kids even before you met me, and you should have planned ahead.” No, the payments can’t be deferred until she is once again able to continue repaying them herself (besides, that day may never come), not if he wants to retain a clean credit rating to get a loan for their dream home.

Did he take the nails out of his hands to write this?

You will inherit her debts. She may have them. So may you. You will also get some financial breaks at tax time, and increased likelihood of promotion in the workplace, to deal with this.

If you start off your marriage by treating your wife as chattel — “she should be earning me money,” which is what a pimp says, not a man — you will poison that marriage forever.

Your kids will be healthiest and happiest with a stay-at-home mom. As a result, you need to transition from single-guy-with-an-apartment mode (cut all costs, live day to day) to adult mode. Adult mode isn’t just a setting on your cable box.

It means that you are planning for a family, for stability and a future. It is a prerequisite to marriage that you be ready to do this.

If you treat marriage like extended dating, it will fail.

Marriage is starting a family. On the downside, you will be obligated to this family.

On the plus side, you get a family, and unless you alienate that family, it will be the greatest source of joy in your life.

Webster’s defines slavery as “the state of being under the control of another person.” If the husband earns enough to support both of them, he would be hard pressed to make an argument to preserve equality, and have her continue working as he does. If the wife decides to stop working, the men who have been left holding the financial bag find their options limited. They may find themselves stuck in careers they hate, or working for abusive exploitative management, working excessively long hours, working in jobs that are physically threatening, that have no growth potential, enduring prolonged commutes, etc. At this point, considering the corner he’s been painted into, he is often powerless to affect any change in his own life.

This is true whether you get married or not. This is a debt-based society. If you stop working for more than about a month, you go bankrupt in most cases. In the best cases, where you have saved up enough, you may be able to take a few months off, but not much more. This is independent of marriage.

What you gain with marriage however is a greater understanding of your career needs. Most likely, your boss is married. His most valuable employees are probably married. Marriage is for stable people who are committed to having families. For this reason, married people are sought-after employees.

In addition, you now both live a more efficient life. Instead of paying for two places and two commutes, you pay for one house, one commute, and one set of all bills.

If you aren’t a selfish idiot like an MFN, you want your children to grow up in the most stable and nurturing environment possible. That does not include a working mother. Nor does it include divorce or parental instability.

In other words, marriage — which leads to family — is not about you. It never was. It’s about making a family. If you try to treat it as permanent dating, you will fail.

If a married man cheats, he’s the scum of the earth…A selfish jerk who has jeopardized the family unit. However, when the woman cheats, she’s conveniently portrayed as the victim. Poor thing. It’s for her empowerment, or to help her self-esteem. Worse yet, her cheating can be the man’s fault. How? He doesn’t compliment her like her new man does. Or he works too much. (Yes, the man who is scrambling to pay the mortgage and cars she may have demanded is now considered negligent. The man who may be working 2 jobs to allow her to be home with her kids is now considered negligent.)

We’re fond of saying around here that a man should never be liberal because liberalism exclusively works against the perceived stronger party, which is to say, the man.

Your problem above is a political one. Feminism and liberalism together always favor the perceived weaker party, and have in them an entrenched hatred of the stronger.

Femninism ruins women and leaves them with wrecked lives. If you are marrying a feminist, or a woman whose friends are feminists, expect to be divorced (acrimoniously) and vilified within the decade. Whether you screwed it up or not.

It’s perfectly acceptable for a woman to demand a man make a certain salary, to be deemed “marriage material”, and provide stability. Likewise, if a man demands the wife do the cooking/cleaning, he can now be labeled a sexist misogynistic PIG. If he asks her to carry her weight financially (just like he does), he can be criticized as an inadequate provider. What exactly deems a woman “marriage material”?

To top it off, some women have gotten so pampered that they not only quit their jobs the day they find out they are pregnant, but they hire as many nannies as their husband can afford. Yes, they stay at home, and hire someone ELSE to raise the kids and clean up, while they drink lattes and go shopping all day with other pampered “stay-at-home” mothers. This is not all women, but certainly the odds increase if the man can afford it. Does it pay to work hard and get ahead anymore, if this is how your hard earned money is squandered?

Are all women like this? No. Could this be your future wife? Possibly.

He wrote this as he held his severed penis and admired the fineness of the cut.

Traditional roles are your one salvation. They give each partner a domain in which they can be valuable. This is the only lasting form of stability.

You do not want your wife competing with you for authority, so delegate. She handles the home and the kids, which is a full-time job.

If you marry an MFN, she will screw this up because you screwed it up. You married a moronic narcissist. How many men are out there talking about how they realized their wives were dangerous morons after the divorce?

They didn’t recognize the truth because they were in victim-mode. Victim mode is when you decide to ignore vital information because you’re afraid of it. It always ends up with you getting screwed.

No sane woman marries with the intention of failing at it. If you find a woman has a cavalier attitude toward divorce, you get what you deserve if you marry her. She warned you.

As he says, not all women are like this. If you read that with a critical eye, you realize this means you have an option to pick a woman who is not an MFN.

However, you won’t exercise that choice because being in victim-mode also puts you in weenie-mode. You are not encouraged to stop, think and take responsibility for your actions. No — you can always blame someone else.

“Women did this to me. Heartless modern women ripped away my soul,” he said, holding his dismembered penis. “I knew she was a stripper who loved cocaine, but I never thought she’d cheat on me. I thought I was different.”

Women are like men. They are individuals. Most of them are shitheads. Most men are shitheads. The two go together. If you’re not a shithead, don’t pick a shithead wife.

This leads us to the one valid point he makes, and then underwhelms:

Prenuptial agreements
If a man insists on a prenuptial agreement, he is selfish and unromantic. When is the last time a woman who demanded a prenuptial agreement was called “unromantic”? On the contrary, if a woman requests a prenuptial agreement, she is fiscally responsible and looking out for herself. (Note: If your fiancée refuses to sign a prenuptial agreement, run for the hills. She has just shown her hand.)

Absolutely.

If you and your wife come from the same mindset or religious community, you are one of the fortunate few who do not need to worry about such things. You do not intend to divorce. The penalties for screwing up are high, so you make the choice carefully — both of you. She chose you and you chose her.

Remember that half of marriages do not end in divorce, and the number is probably even higher since “half of marriages” includes a huge number of second-fourteenth remarriages that have no chance of succeeding either.

If you screw it up once, you’re likely to screw it up again, usually by the same method. (I have zero sympathy for a man who hooks up with a married woman, helps her cheat on her husband, then marries her and seven years later is shocked — shocked, I tell you — to find her in the sack with the pool guy.)

However, if you’re a normal person who is hoping to survive this broken time of feminism, litigiousness, dysfunctional government and society and so on, you may want a pre-nuptial agreement. Think up a fair one.

If the woman rejects it, move on. She is not of the mindset for marriage.

By the same token, many men want to create a pre-nup agreement that preserves the pre-marriage perpetual single-guy-in-an-apartment lifestyle. This arrangement usually says, “If we get divorced, I walk away with what I earn, and you get nothing.”

This is too extreme.

Realistically, she will have given up her career to be your wife and mother to your kids — if she doesn’t, your kids and you get inferior attention and she is more likely to stray, drugged on the power of her spending, forgetting how you providing a stable home allows her to enjoy that income. You want her to give up her career and become a Mom now. You give up your reckless lifestyle and become a Dad. See how there’s a trade in evidence there, equally for both parties?

This is why the courts hand money to the woman: she has sacrificed to become a wife.

They are overcompensating, of course, because we live in a time of liberalism and that encourages subjugation of the more powerful party. We get “equality” that way.

She will be compensated because she has given up a lot to become married.

Your only defense against this is the exact opposite of what this guy and most MRAs recommend.

Do not become a victim. Become a victor.

You do this through two methods: (a) insist on traditional roles and (b) pick the right woman.

Men need to stop and ask, “Why exactly am I getting married? What exactly does marriage mean to me in today’s world?”.

It is no longer a lifelong commitment, because it can be reversed overnight.

  1. To be a man who insists on acting like a victim, and then avoids the one state of life that escapes this process, and then also refuses to get politically involved to fix the situation, is to join the culture of weenies who are also behind feminism, the nanny state, sit-when-you-pee, etc.

    Feminism is liberalism. If you drift toward liberalism, you are supporting feminism.

    Modern life is derived from liberalism. The idea of equality is its foremost concept.

    Traditional roles are derived from a different concept, which is that of roles. Roles make each person sacred for what they do that is not the norm, instead of making both people the norm and then making them compete.

    The woman reigns over the house and children. This is her responsibility.

    The man reigns over income-production and family direction. This is his responsibility.

    Any healthy marriage involves the two partners being able to discuss each others’ zones of responsibility, but not sabotaging each other by micromanaging. Any healthy marriage involves knowing that raising kids and taking care of the home is a full-time job that is biologically and culturally more important than bringing in a paycheck. This is at least how adults look at it.

    What’s a mom worth?

    According to one report, $138,095 a year.

    That’s the figure in a study put out by Salary.com, which calculates the wages that would have been paid a stay-at-home mom in 2007 if she were compensated for all the elements of her “job.” That total was up 3% from 2006′s salary of $134,121.

    {…}

    The job descriptions that Salary.com used to determine a mom’s salary includes 10 jobs that moms do on an average day: housekeeper, day care center teacher, cook, computer operator, laundry machine operator, janitor, facilities manager, van driver, CEO and psychologist. – MSN

    While the above estimate might be extreme, the point is well-made: to be a wife and mom is hard work, if it’s done well.

    If it is not done well, a sensible husband takes it up with the wife. Don’t wait for her to get to this stage:

    To top it off, some women have gotten so pampered that they not only quit their jobs the day they find out they are pregnant, but they hire as many nannies as their husband can afford. Yes, they stay at home, and hire someone ELSE to raise the kids and clean up, while they drink lattes and go shopping all day with other pampered “stay-at-home” mothers.

    These people are behaving badly. If you’re in command of the home, lay down the law. You need to confront the wife about her bad behavior. It’s not normal to be a lazy wife. Get her ass in gear.

    If she cannot follow through with it, tell her you cannot afford the nanny and cancel the payment. If you’re uncomfortable with that, look for evidence that the nanny is botching the job. Force the lazy wife to panic and have a tantrum, then document it. She will either come to her senses or reveal herself to be an MFN, at which point you look like the sensible party: she refused to take care of the kids.

    Traditional roles are your defense, and enable you to enjoy marriage as two people working toward a goal, instead of two selfish people manipulating and using each other for selfish ends.

    Liberalism is about the ego. Me, me, me. We’re all equal means “But I’m more equal.” Traditional roles are the opposite.

  2. Pick the best woman you can. This starts with getting out of victim mode:

    Does it pay to work hard and get ahead anymore, if this is how your hard earned money is squandered?

    Do not listen to this poisoned voice. You are going to attend a job, and work to get ahead, whether you are married or not. The question then is whether you come home to a happy family or a dismal bachelor apartment, too tired (and eventually, too old) to go out and score some idiot for a few moments of sexual pleasure.

    It pays to work and get ahead, and to use the one power you will always have, which is choice.

    MRA includes “game” which is both a way of talking morons into bed, and a way of managing the upper hand with your spouse. “Game” is a subset of manipulating human psychology. If you’re a white hat, you do this to make good things work out; if you’re a black hat, you run scams. Most of us are greyish white hats.

    You use psychological manipulation every day on people who need to be manipulated. Talking your kid into putting down the pretty snake (around here, we get coral snakes) is a fine art. So is working with subordinates or bosses.

    Your “game” is psychology game, and it’s the opposite of what society tells you to do — which is lie back, enjoy it, become a victim, and then after you’ve been nailed to a cross, demand reparations. Society is designed to control you, not make sure you get what you need.

    When looking to marriage, you cannot use “game” (scare-quoted for being such a goofy phrase) in the same way you con women into bed. It’s not a con. It’s about maintaining the male role as leader and dominant creature that makes a woman feel safe:

    The point is, if I had been nice, I would have never had married Jennifer. I would have just seen a pretty girl with a not so great boyfriend bugging her and done nothing of interest. Being nice is a very important aspect of your personality, having no nice in you just means you’re an asshole. Adding in a little of the jerk / Alpha Male trait is the key to building attraction though.

    At some point in your courtship, you likely did something that was a little crazy, a little wild, something over the top that made your wife to be sit up and take notice of you. Maybe all it was happened to be fronting up to her, and making it plain being just friends with her wasn’t an option you where going to be able to live with.

    Marriage can easily fall into a rut. When was the last time you made it plain being “just friends” still isn’t an option you can live with? That you want a passionate connection to her. Make sure she knows with her you have no half-way. If you don’t do this to her at least once in a while, you leave the door open for someone else to do it to her. Emotional connections are serious things and sometimes not even your best friend can be trusted with the woman you love. Do not let the moment pass.

    Just don’t phrase it in the form of a question to her. Make a statement. – Nice Guys Finish Last, by Athol Kay

    The fundamental mental aspect of game is mental toughness: you need to set a goal and pursue it aggressively. This is the mental aspect our ancestors called vir.

    You are the man. You choose the woman, you woo the woman, and you make it clear what the roles are. Any woman who has problems with this is defective, and in healthier times, would be relegated to prostitution or other careers for flake-out nutjobs who cannot commit.

    As part of this decision, you need to not screw it up. How many men do you see on a college campus who sought out the non-confrontational female? Usually you see white nerds with fat girls or Asian girls, because they think these will be easy and not force the man out of his single-guy-with-apartment comfort zone. This is of course insane because both fat girls and Asian girls are women, and women are humans, and all humans operate within a range of the same psychology.

    Pick the right woman. Pick someone who is honest, realistic and (ideally) has traditional values. That is the kind of woman you can base a relationship on.

If you are looking for an easy score, you face a trivial problem. You need to find some girl who has gone to a bar with the intent of getting drunk and (although she can’t admit it) getting laid.

Women like this do not actually believe they will ever achieve marital happiness. If anything, they are certain they will not, and are self-pitying, and thus prone to all sorts of bad mental habits.

If you are looking for a wife, you have to change your thinking. This is no longer coerce some idiot into bed time. This is no longer single-guy-in-apartment time. This is an important choice.

To claim that marriage is bad, because many if not most women are bad, is the height of stupidity. Here you are, sacrificing something good that you could have for yourself, in the name of what other people do. Might as well dice your penis and make chili with it because you have no right to own one.

The Men’s Rights Activist (MRA) movement is doomed as long as it chooses to put men in the position of passive victim. This is the opposite principle of what it is to be male, which is active conqueror.

Until it figures that out, there will be people like the above-quoted “Do Not Marry” dude who pander to your fears, insecurities, doubts and sense of self-pity. His goal is to make a buck off you and he doesn’t care if it ruins your life.

My solution earns me no money, and is simpler: act like a man. If you don’t think you can, use discipline to force yourself into the role. Get out of the role of victim and passive half-man at home in his apartment, with his boring job and shitty video games. Get out there and fight.

6 Responses to “Marriage”

  1. mike gainer reigns here says:

    Total fantasy. You do NOT need to marry. You’re contributing to overpopulation with a family and kids, one of the worst crisis we’re facing as a society. Awareness and truth adds more to life anyways, try practicing that. The feeling of loneliness will pass trust me.

    • vir says:

      You’re contributing to overpopulation with a family and kids, one of the worst crisis we’re facing as a society.

      To fight overpopulation, smart people should breed.

      Smarter populations tend to be stable and not growing.

      Dumber populations breed like rabbits.

  2. Ouroboros says:

    Marriage is a fine and beautiful thing. It just so happens that our modern culture loves to destroy things that are sacred.

    Also, lets face it, a lot of women are *too* independent and mannish for man men’s tastes now.

  3. Aaron says:

    Well it has a few MAJOR flaws but I see where the blogger is going with it however he still FAILS to acknowledge the MASSIVE discrepancy in he laws that favor women. Like all MRA basher’s he simply focuses ONLY on the sexual politics side because that is the only argument anyone could use, that all MRA are a bunch of whiners, cry babies, hypocrites, etc, etc. An of course the internet is filled with cliche “beta male chumps who can’t get laid”, strangely enough 99.999% of them run Anti-MRA blogs accusing MRAs as can’t get laid cry babies, kinda ironic & pathetic at the same time. Sounds like someone realizing all humans by default are stupid an life is survival of the fittest yet again he completely fails to acknowledge a system of enslavement that you can not avoid even if you want to unless you want to leave so called civilization an live in the woods somewhere.

    Probably just another “George Carlin” wannabe in the making.

    His entire blog is filled with posts that only focus on one particular issue ignoring all factors, just meaningless banter with no scientific analysis.

    For example: Drugs should be illegal because stupid people will to to them like flies to shit an populate in record numbers filling society with idiots. However he fails to acknowledge the massive Police State that comes as a byproduct of this enforcement an that the drug was has FAILED miserably an contributed to massive debt which in turn creates a need for police to become happy FineUrAssess crazy to generate revenue.

    Or hence drug war is also a good excuse for elites to weasel in their tyranny measures.

    Just another “black & white” sum up of societies ills.

    Even I acknowledge there are no simple solutions. Even I acknowledge that most MRA’s online are nothing but arm chair losers who use the MRA message to explain their sexless nights. Of course these are not MRA’s, they are mostly labelled MRA’s by captain save a hoes because it fits their sexist picture of what they believe MRA’s to be “crybabies”. You will never see these gimps take on a real MRA because they’d get chewed up an spat out. Let him take on Bernard Chapin, me, or Paul Elam, they won’t because they know we use logic & evidence to back up our arguments.

    These types only go after those they think they can win an argument with, like a little angry wimp at a bar picking on someone they think they can beat up in a fight.

    Ultimately this blog is just opinion an opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

    MRA’s should not waste time negotiating or arguing with these useless assholes, who at their core as just mindless zombies. Focus on changing the laws an abiding by our codes of honor as men should, fuck gender politics, don’t fall into stupid debates that bare no fruit but frayed nerves.

    • vir says:

      Well it has a few MAJOR flaws but I see where the blogger is going with it however he still FAILS to acknowledge the MASSIVE discrepancy in he laws that favor women.

      The post isn’t communicating well to you; the point was that these laws are just only if we have a social order that favors families. This means one that does not tolerate divorce as an easy outlet, and marriage as extended dating. MRAs fail not because they whine, but because their goals are illusory; they don’t need feminism for men, they need a return to sacred and exclusive roles for men. You don’t find this by altering laws to make marriage less serious and divorce easier.

  4. Republicrat says:

    Aaron,

    In general, I agree with Vir here.

    But to concede a point, I do agree with you that he does fail to acknowledge the problems that exist with current legislation and the judicial system. Now, I don’t know exactly where you stand, but the original intent of the various laws on divorce, child support, alimony, and etc. do exist for legitimate reasons.

    Historically, women have taken more risk in marriage than men do. Historically, men were the breadwinners while women were “along for the ride”. Should a man be able to divorce a woman at whim and leave her out on the streets to cope? That’s why these laws exist and are needed. But even more so, men should be encouraged to stay in a marriage, especially if there are children involved. Marriage isn’t extended dating.

    Now, the problem with modern society is that the original intent is being skewed by family courts, and the legislatures are taking an activist tone in some cases in modifying the laws to make it essentially punitive for the man in almost every case, regardless of actual fault. I’m not interested in going into a detailed analysis here (I think the MRA blogs have done an excellent job so far, so it would be redundant).

    With that said, I would say that you are, unfortunately, manifesting yourself on this blog as the stereotypical MRA in the way that you see yourself as nothing but a victim and have this resentment towards people who, despite what troubles may exist, want to soldier on and make the best out of the situation. In other words, an analog to the stereotypical shrill feminist hag.

    As Nietzsche says Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you..

    Now I am not commenting on you in particular, because I don’t know you, but I for one am getting tired of us married men who are working on families – you know, those of us who are perpetuating future generations – as “loser betas” for being successful and going against the grain. That’s why this blog is necessary – it’s an ongoing rebuttal against that sort of rhetoric and shining beacon for men to see that there is a way forward! I look forward to more posts from Vir.

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