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vir

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Drop out culture is bullshit
« on: June 17, 2014, 01:53:28 PM »

The idea that someone can secede from society and exist outside of it is a nice Romantic notion. And yet... there are problems.

First, you then leave a reckless machine running. It will take from you what it wants. You are under its political control. Aristotle's maxim about being ruled by idiots unless good men intervene comes true here.

Second, this neutralizes you and turns you into an alienated person who can have no effect on the world. You will be an anonymous hermit. "Tune in, turn on, drop out" didn't even work for the liberal cult of the 1960s.

Next, this is spiritually destructive. It makes you into an isolated object much as consumerism does. Further, it ceases your participation in the task of humanity, which is to overcome its monkey origins and rise to the stars (both metaphorically and literally).

Finally, this cuts you out of a lot of opportunity.
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Hauer

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2014, 05:12:03 PM »

In a way, a great deal of the modern youth culture is far more "drop out" than the boomers or gen x were.  They might still try to fit in and be popular, but there are more kids living in basements and isolated from their community than ever before.
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Jackal

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2014, 05:23:36 PM »

I agree that a singular person dropping out is usually not very helpful. However if a tribe drops out, or goes partially underground, it seems to function rather well. Similar to the amish but with more control.

The atomization leads to more drop outs. Millennial are basically a broken mirror at this point. Fraternal organizations and tribes would do well to pick up on this.
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1983

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2014, 06:06:15 PM »

I disagree.  This is the same problem Objectivists have, and never fully understood.  You can't save the greater culture.  The country, as it is presently constituted, is well beyond being held together. 

Dropping out, especially politically, is the only rational choice.  Deny consent, deny cultural production, deny capital, deny everything.  Your only hope is collapse.

This is, of course, assuming "dropping out" here means denying everything to this degenerate culture and focusing your energies on creating a more identitarian/tribal culture or sub-culture, and not merely giving up on anything and jerking off and playing video games all day. 
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Jackal

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2014, 08:34:36 PM »

it's the latter that Vir cares about. Jerking off all day and going leaf eater like the Japanese isn't a solution.

The only way we can really survive the fourth turning is preparing the cultural equivalent of a pheonix. Using traditional forms with individuals intelligent enough to master the technology.
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vir

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Why drop-out cultures always sell out
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2014, 09:01:45 AM »

Another take on this issue -- how drop-out cultures always sell out:

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Zandan conducted a wide-ranging survey in April to gauge people’s attitudes in the Austin metro area, asking everything from whether the city is on the right track to whether Austin has retained its (literally) trademarked weirdness. Among other things, though, he was struck by the change in the slacker scene.

Zandan concluded Austinites now are less likely to choose a laid-back life without a steady job, partly because of optimism about their career prospects. Of those responding to his survey, 87 percent were either satisfied or very satisfied with their job. Nearly three-quarters said they were confident or very confident that, if they lost that job, they could find one as good or better within six months. Only 3 percent described themselves as underemployed.

http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/local/career-ambitions-higher-cost-of-living-erode-austi/ngFYZ/#0ff475e5.257273.735390

They went from Slacker to corporate drone in ten years because... gosh, the money's good.

Drop-out culture encourages self-interest. "I don't want to be a part of this society." Thus you're thinking in self-interest already.

Reaction -- proxy for Tradition and means of restoring it -- thinks instead in terms of sacred role. "I must do this to fulfill my destiny and that of my people."

Being a drop-out removes that sacred rule and puts the focus on self-interest. At that point, you're open to a better offer. Instead of sitting out there in the woods in a lean-to, come work for us and live in a luxury townhouse where you can shut out the world.

People go polar in an instant. It's like WSB's description of kicking addicts who get back on the junk dropping ten pounds in a second and re-acquiring the hollow stare of the addict.
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Yazata

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2014, 10:38:19 AM »

Drop out culture might be useless politically, but all significant pop culture (and I know that's not the same as high culture) came from disaffected people, usually 13-25 year old youths when their disaffection was most intense.

And in a sick society the impulse is natural, and strongest in many healthy individuals.

Remember what Evola wrote in 'Youth, Beats and Right Wing Anarchists' too.
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Hauer

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2014, 02:25:30 PM »

Could puritanical religious followings like the Amish or Hasidic Jews be considered drop out cultures?  They strive to remove themselves completely from the mainstream culture of the societies they live in.
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Yazata

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2014, 02:57:26 PM »

I'd count anyone dropping out of society yet not self-segregating into communities as representing a drop-out subculture.
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Hauer

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2014, 05:00:32 PM »

So, hippie culture is a dropout lifestyle when one person does it, but it isn't when a bunch of hippies form a commune?
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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2014, 09:30:14 PM »

Dropping out seems like an admirable option to me.  Taking into account your genetics, IQ, and personality, it could be a good option for some.  Not everyone can be an intelligent leader who can make significant change in the world, or their respective field.  Wouldn't it be best to lessen your impact on the earth and live decently?  People like Ildjarn and Varg seemed to drop out of society in a way, yet even still they were able to make an impact.  Prozak was a dropout/stoner who made bongs out of computers.  Becoming a 'forest dweller' in indian/hindu culture was a necessary period of one's life as they get older, who is to say how early that time should be for others?

"Life's so depressive, this world has to pay
Kill for the devil, spread plague and evil
Consume your life from both sides, join the (hippie) sect
Never have any child, this race has to die"
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vir

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2014, 01:37:19 PM »

I don't agree. We must unite in the task of building civilization back to health. Even those who 'do not have much to contribute' can contribute through labor. Dropping out just ensures our destruction and in its wake, certain ecocide.
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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2014, 02:27:20 PM »

The West's liberal democracy as a whole is drop out culture. Sever ties with history, tribe and family, drop in to the benevolent system and machine along with its dependencies, disposable fashions and fads. Adopt a socially engineered circus tribe with a victim identity plus government benefits like racial minority, downtrodden femme, hipster, homo, or New Age palm reader.

The people who see this as insanity drop out because so far the only alternative is to join it. That needs to change because dropping out isn't where the sane people are needed.
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Exilarch

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2014, 04:30:41 PM »

I've been giving some thought to your idea of "dropping out" and it seems as though you see it as a dichotomy between either:

A) living as an atomized individual either in an apartment full of video game devices, porn and cats or in a Pentti Linkola style wooden shack out in the boonies, not caring to act on or be acted upon by society

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B) participating in normal society, trying to make your voice heard and shilling for your ideas in the political rat race, trying to turn republicans into conservatives again.

What if that dichotomy was actually false?

What if it's possible to "leave" society as much as possible and yet still retain your influence, if not expand it?

I encourage you to go to my blog and read my post "Tribes" when you have a minute, because it explains the truth of this situation quite nicely.

Any more details on this reasoning I would happily explain in private, but what it boils down to is that when you really stop and think hard about what it is you want to see in the world, you might realize that it doesn't require the support or participation of mass society at all, which is a total strategic game changer.
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vir

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Re: Drop out culture is bullshit
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2014, 05:38:42 PM »

The problem however is that societies create historical impact as units; thus, power is either mastered (reversing 1789) or the society becomes a destructive engine.

If all those who realized our society is broken were able to join together on a platform, or even a tenth of them, we could have this situation reversed in no time.

Focusing solely on the personal, while it seems like natural selection, amounts to consent. That is not to say that one should not develop oneself, but that both need to be targeted.
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