Freedom

There are two types of freedom: freedom from something, and freedom to do something.

If you believe that your fate is conditioned by a vicious and self-serving government, you may want freedom from it. But if you have instead a constructive goal, you want the freedom to do that goal.

The first case is easier because it involves a clear enemy. The second is harder, because it does not state the reason why you would not be able to accomplish what you want. It is a matter of social approval as a whole, and not some part of society that is denying you what you seek.

MRAs talk quite a bit about false rape accusations. They do not like to talk about the relationship between casual sex and rape allegations. When men and women hook up at random, regret happens frequently. From regret come the accusations of false rape, which are unprovable as they are provable.

Statistics show that as many as 78 percent of women will engage in a hook-up at some point during their college tenure, 14 percent of whom will rely on a friend to tell them what happened the next day, 49 percent of whom will never see the partner again, and 16 percent of whom felt pressured into the sexual encounter. In a given year, roughly 97,000 cases of college campus sexual assault or date rape related to binge drinking are reported. Another 100,000 college students annually report being too drunk to know if they consented to having sex. – The Washington Post, No sex on campus?

With all that regret, bad behavior is inevitably going to follow.

Let’s look at an alternative. Traditional culture provided a ritualized courting period, after which a man married his future wife, and they generally lived together in innocence and mutual support. Many marriages were arranged, which is a polite way of saying that if your young people are confused, you go to the wisest village elders and pick some candidates for a match. Unsurprisingly, arranged marriages often last where “romantic” for-love/sex modern marriages do not. There was no illusion about sex being love, or marriage being a hedonistic pleasure. Marriage was like a battle-bond, by which a man and woman forged a family. In traditional culture, the only rapes that happened were assaults by strangers or men the women would normally not be speaking to. In our culture, the only difference between consent and rape is the degree of persuasion employed.

Our modern false rape epidemic is created by casual sex, itself a creation of feminism, itself a creation of liberalism.

When it comes down to “he-said/she-said,” there is no intelligent way to proceed, but the problem is that you’re damned either way. If you take her side, you may well be sending an innocent man to ruin. If you take his side, you may be excusing a heinous crime of personal violation. We can’t gamble with either of those outcomes.

Tradition had a better plan. Why do MRAs fear it?

MRAs are afraid of Tradition because feminists are afraid of Tradition. Tradition is patriarchy and honor. With honor comes the possibility of shame and dishonor. If no one cares and there are no consequences, dishonor — allowing yourself to be seen as weak, fearful and inept — is the easiest thing in the world. Honor requires an honor group, a group of men who will hold other men accountable, and MRAs are just as dedicated to breaking up male honor cultures as feminists are. – Jack Donovan, “Like Slipping Into a Warm Bath”

MRAs have (so far) based their game plan on creating a mirror-image of feminism and hoping to defeat it by being “more equal” than those who demand equality. The problem is that equality is never a goal in itself; you reach equality by penalizing those above the median, since you can’t force the incompetent below that median to suddenly, magically become more competent. Equality exists through penalties on the more equal.

In practical terms, this means feminism will always win out over MRA because feminism supports a group that is seen as inherently biological weaker. They will always be pitied, and men not. Men asking for pity alienates strong men and attracts weaker men. It’s a vicious cycle of failure that explains why MRM has gotten zero political traction.

Reversing feminism by imitating it offers an unlikely solution. What makes more sense is to figure out the origin of feminism, and reverse that. In the case of our modern society, that origin is a withdrawal from shared values and a leap into the world of subjective, individualistic and social forces. That is the source of the disease.

If we’re truly tired of that, we’ll seek to incorporate tradition in our plans as a solution and not a symptomatic treatment. At that point, we will be clear in our minds that we want a cure, not just a more comfortable disease.

60 Responses to “Freedom”

  1. Tim says:

    Now, you can try to argue that it is just to prohibit women from owning property too, but once again, the burden is on you.

    You keep on saying the burden is on me to prove your case. Let’s get this straight: you stated – at the beginning – that women were oppressed by men, and evidence of this was the denial of the vote. You then prevaricated, and switched to discriminated against by men. Finally, you said that women were unjustly discriminated against by men, and this is proof of oppression. This is your claim, not mine. You know the rules. You have to flesh out this idea of yours, not me.

  2. person says:

    “You keep on saying the burden is on me to prove your case.”

    Nope, the burden is on you to prove the contrary of my case.

    “Let’s get this straight: you stated – at the beginning – that women were oppressed by men, and evidence of this was the denial of the vote.’

    Nope; you’re the one who said that was the evidence. I agreed that that was one of many pieces of evidence.

    “You then prevaricated, and switched to discriminated against by men. ”

    Nope; I never did any such thing. I invite you to find where I did.

    “Finally, you said that women were unjustly discriminated against by men, and this is proof of oppression.”

    You and I agreed that unjust discrimination was tantamount to oppression.

    “This is your claim, not mine. You know the rules. You have to flesh out this idea of yours, not me.”

    Unjust discrimination is simply discrimination without just reason for that discrimination. Just reason for discrimination is a positive claim. Hence: burden on you to show that just reason.

  3. Tim says:

    I’ve moved all of our arguments over to the “Feminism” post so we don’t have to hop around. Check in there.

  4. person says:

    Why is it that this blog assumes that MRAs have a problem with feminism in the first place? There’s no reason it should, largely for all the reasons you point out. Both movements are about equality.

    Actually, MRAs and feminists should be, and in the best cases are, both allied against Traditionalists.

    MRAs and feminists both believe in rights. MRAs emphasize men’s rights, while feminists emphasize women’s rights, but the two are not incompatible.

    Tranditionalists don’t believe in rights for anyone. They believe in prescribed roles, paths that we are born for and directed towards based on which sperm one out in getting to our mother’s egg. They are the enemy of both MRAs (of type that can legitimately bear the name, not just so-called “fMRAs”) and feminists.

    • vir says:

      Why is it that this blog assumes that MRAs have a problem with feminism in the first place?

      MRAs say that they have a problem with feminism.

      MRAs also tend to preach a doctrine that looks a lot like feminism.

      They are confused, like neoconservatives.

      • person says:

        Ok, I’ll admit I’m not too familiar with MRAs, but from what I’ve read, some say they have a problem with feminism but many don’t.

        And perhaps more accurately, MRAs don’t have a problem with the ideals of feminism, that is equality of the sexes, but believe that in practice, feminists have focused too much on women’s rights and not enough on men’s rights, or true equality.

        Put that way, there realy is no contradiction or confusion. And this is a type of MRA I can support.

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