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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-70580</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 08:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I take away from this article is that you demand the return of rigid gender roles where women are to be silent, in the kitchen, and completely dependent upon men and men are the economic slaves of women and pressured to be competent and strong all the time.

I have no problem with the bulk of what you&#039;ve said, I have no problem with the idea of complementary roles because these absolutely do exist. In a world where we weren&#039;t forcing our girls to go out and work and preaching to them independence, most of them probably would fall into a role of a homemaker.

All I really ask is that we have some sanity and realize that not everybody is the same. Not every man is going to be bulky and brawny, and not every girl is going to be delicate and feminine. Some men are going to prefer staying home or be on the sensitive side, just like some women are going to be rough and rugged and be on the independent side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I take away from this article is that you demand the return of rigid gender roles where women are to be silent, in the kitchen, and completely dependent upon men and men are the economic slaves of women and pressured to be competent and strong all the time.</p>
<p>I have no problem with the bulk of what you&#8217;ve said, I have no problem with the idea of complementary roles because these absolutely do exist. In a world where we weren&#8217;t forcing our girls to go out and work and preaching to them independence, most of them probably would fall into a role of a homemaker.</p>
<p>All I really ask is that we have some sanity and realize that not everybody is the same. Not every man is going to be bulky and brawny, and not every girl is going to be delicate and feminine. Some men are going to prefer staying home or be on the sensitive side, just like some women are going to be rough and rugged and be on the independent side.</p>
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		<title>By: bamoqi</title>
		<link>http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-46202</link>
		<dc:creator>bamoqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 05:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Typo: One simply _cannot_ speak of fairness...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo: One simply _cannot_ speak of fairness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bamoqi</title>
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		<dc:creator>bamoqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 05:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the reason that MRM is incoherent and weak is that, ultimately there is very little that can be done collectively. As you noted the west is mired in victimhood ideology, the slave morality. This is what the mainstream media look to and how laws are established. One simply speak of fairness, truth and heroism in such a culture. There is no politically acceptable and effective rhetorics to assert masculinity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason that MRM is incoherent and weak is that, ultimately there is very little that can be done collectively. As you noted the west is mired in victimhood ideology, the slave morality. This is what the mainstream media look to and how laws are established. One simply speak of fairness, truth and heroism in such a culture. There is no politically acceptable and effective rhetorics to assert masculinity.</p>
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		<title>By: bamoqi</title>
		<link>http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-46064</link>
		<dc:creator>bamoqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The equality that MRA demands is different from that of feminism. Feminism demands equality of roles and reward; MRA demands equality of rules, which means fairness. ie, the best person for a role get the role, and a person own the reward for his work. If such fairness can be established, men and women would fall naturally into their complementary roles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The equality that MRA demands is different from that of feminism. Feminism demands equality of roles and reward; MRA demands equality of rules, which means fairness. ie, the best person for a role get the role, and a person own the reward for his work. If such fairness can be established, men and women would fall naturally into their complementary roles.</p>
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		<title>By: fidelbogen</title>
		<link>http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-44834</link>
		<dc:creator>fidelbogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My comment is still in moderation. Additionally, I  am hearing a lot of silence. 

So, while I am here, I ought to make some corrections to the analysis given in the article. 

The so-called &quot;men&#039;s movement&quot; (whatever THAT is) is not &quot;imploding&quot;. The truth is quite the opposite -- it is EX-ploding.  Growth of numbers is boosting the inherent tensions and bursting the patched-over consensus of earlier days. This is the classic pattern for new movements, new religions, new cultures, etc. Just study history. 

You guys are not something apart from the so-called &quot;manosphere&quot;. You are part and parcel of it, and partakers in the diversity of it. The &quot;men&#039;s movement&quot; is exploding, and you guys are just one of the many fragments now being propelled outward by that explosion. 

That&#039;s right, Groin.Com people -- YOU TOO are part of this vaguely defined thing called &quot;men&#039;s movement&quot;, whether you like it or not. So don&#039;t feed us any more of your krapp-a-loo-la!

All that aside, I find your game transparent. What you are doing, in a nutshell, is narrative building. You are projecting a phony construct which you call &quot;the men&#039;s movement&quot;, and then defining yourself &lt;i&gt;in opposition&lt;/i&gt; to that projection so as to create a fabricated history. In this way, you hope to draw numbers of people into your narrative so you can position yourself as a dominating force on the gameboard.

But of course, your narrative is a fabrication. And what you are attempting is just a good ol&#039; fashioned power grab. It&#039;s the age-old game of politics, but the problem is that you guys are helping to prop up feminism in order to construct your egos. And you are engaging in some classically feminist behavior, too. 

Which feminist behavior do I mean? Well, lying, for starters. . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment is still in moderation. Additionally, I  am hearing a lot of silence. </p>
<p>So, while I am here, I ought to make some corrections to the analysis given in the article. </p>
<p>The so-called &#8220;men&#8217;s movement&#8221; (whatever THAT is) is not &#8220;imploding&#8221;. The truth is quite the opposite &#8212; it is EX-ploding.  Growth of numbers is boosting the inherent tensions and bursting the patched-over consensus of earlier days. This is the classic pattern for new movements, new religions, new cultures, etc. Just study history. </p>
<p>You guys are not something apart from the so-called &#8220;manosphere&#8221;. You are part and parcel of it, and partakers in the diversity of it. The &#8220;men&#8217;s movement&#8221; is exploding, and you guys are just one of the many fragments now being propelled outward by that explosion. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, Groin.Com people &#8212; YOU TOO are part of this vaguely defined thing called &#8220;men&#8217;s movement&#8221;, whether you like it or not. So don&#8217;t feed us any more of your krapp-a-loo-la!</p>
<p>All that aside, I find your game transparent. What you are doing, in a nutshell, is narrative building. You are projecting a phony construct which you call &#8220;the men&#8217;s movement&#8221;, and then defining yourself <i>in opposition</i> to that projection so as to create a fabricated history. In this way, you hope to draw numbers of people into your narrative so you can position yourself as a dominating force on the gameboard.</p>
<p>But of course, your narrative is a fabrication. And what you are attempting is just a good ol&#8217; fashioned power grab. It&#8217;s the age-old game of politics, but the problem is that you guys are helping to prop up feminism in order to construct your egos. And you are engaging in some classically feminist behavior, too. </p>
<p>Which feminist behavior do I mean? Well, lying, for starters. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Men Discontinued</title>
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		<dc:creator>Men Discontinued</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you read any articles on AVfM ?  You clearly have no idea.  Of course there&#039;s differing opinions on strategy, but at the end of the day the goal is common and everyone wishes to achieve it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you read any articles on AVfM ?  You clearly have no idea.  Of course there&#8217;s differing opinions on strategy, but at the end of the day the goal is common and everyone wishes to achieve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Men Discontinued</title>
		<link>http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-44227</link>
		<dc:creator>Men Discontinued</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know... except for all the changes they&#039;ve been making in family law and the VAWA reform... you clearly have no idea.  I&#039;d say you were the one sitting at home complaining.  Stop projecting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230; except for all the changes they&#8217;ve been making in family law and the VAWA reform&#8230; you clearly have no idea.  I&#8217;d say you were the one sitting at home complaining.  Stop projecting.</p>
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		<title>By: Catching Up &#171; Manosphere Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catching Up &#171; Manosphere Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] rights = feminism, the real answer is to fight the equality farce with roles for men and women http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/ The Men’s Rights Movement is dead. Long Live the Manosphere! [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rights = feminism, the real answer is to fight the equality farce with roles for men and women <a href="http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/" rel="nofollow">http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/</a> The Men’s Rights Movement is dead. Long Live the Manosphere! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jarl</title>
		<link>http://www.groin.com/feminism-beats-the-mens-rights-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-39979</link>
		<dc:creator>jarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarence is a subhuman retard. Just because the masuline-feminine dichotomy exists as a spectrum does not imply that the terms are meaningless or completely subjective concepts. There are outliers in all human metrics, but nearly all human temperaments correspond to the biological sex of the individual. Men will generally be more aggressive and dominating and females will generally be more submissive and egalitarian. 

Also, if you take the definitions to be based on traits conferred by sex hormones, then it is a perfectly objective measure. There are objectively masculine and feminine brain structures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence is a subhuman retard. Just because the masuline-feminine dichotomy exists as a spectrum does not imply that the terms are meaningless or completely subjective concepts. There are outliers in all human metrics, but nearly all human temperaments correspond to the biological sex of the individual. Men will generally be more aggressive and dominating and females will generally be more submissive and egalitarian. </p>
<p>Also, if you take the definitions to be based on traits conferred by sex hormones, then it is a perfectly objective measure. There are objectively masculine and feminine brain structures.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Warkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Warkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a case of the exception proving the rule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a case of the exception proving the rule.</p>
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